These guys don’t do common sense.
After 14 years whose is it? Mine, yours? The bloke in charge 14 years ago? When does the last 14 years become their burgeon of responsibility? What happened in those years that I missed?
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a lot more than they get.
the point being that someone like a cardiologist could earn a fuck ton more in another country than they earn in the NHS with less hours and better conditions. moonlighting as a private consultant bumps up those hours. if you think being a specialist for the NHS is anything other than a vocation then i think that is wrong.
i believe this argument started out with you saying that there’s no world in which private healthcare benefits the NHS. would the NHS be better off without the slow privatisation of some services? probably. but we are now where we are. ruling out private healthcare for people who need it but couldn’t afford it with a taxrise would be cruel.
going by your logic everything that is bad in the UK now is the fault of the Tories of the last 14 years and absolutely no one else. the country was perfect and for no reason at all we elected Conservatives and it all went downhill without any other factor? cmon
again, i think they have been an unmitigated disaster. prime in that - brexit began and ended with them. the brexit vote going the way it is did was on a whole list of factors though, not just them. same for almost everything else
Let’s face it most people go private to jump the queue. Those who can afford it pay to get a consultation the next day rather than have to wait months for an appointment because the same consultants are all busy doing private consultations. They then get listed for the procedure that happens under the NHS ahead of all those forced to wait. It’s just money grubbing plain and simple it corrupts what’s meant to be a fair system and it fucking stinks.
I’ve worked in the NHS almost 25 years and it’s getting ridiculous. And not all consultants are in on it either.
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No. That was not my logic and you know that. All I mentioned was the last 14 years are their fault, not Blair’s or anyone else’s. I want to talk about the last 14 years and you try to drag Blair into it and how the last 14 years were not all their doing? How far are we going to keep going back? I’ve heard that Thatcher was a bit of Michael Fabricant too.
So the country wasn’t better before Brexit say? Something Cameron didn’t need to do (then fuck off after the result, like a man child, that opened up a leadership war that has kept going to this day. No-one has voted in the last two PM’s!?!).
The country wasn’t better before Truss’s mini budget? They even made bigger fuck up on their usual fuck ups… but it’s not all their doing I get it.
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i don’t disagree. it’s what i have used private healthcare for in the past - getting the treatment on a day when i wasn’t working in a location i could actually get to.
again i agree that the privatisation of specific services has not helped the current state of the NHS - regardless of which governments began it (Thatcher) and which governments continued to push it (Blair). both sides have been guilty of harming our health service and if it is to become great again it needs to be protected from political point scoring.
regardless of all of that, we cannot remove the private healthcare industry and we shouldn’t restrict access to it by making it more expensive than people can afford.
oh sorry i think i missed your point. yes the last 14 years are their fault for sure. i thought you meant that in general the decline of Britain is wholly on them and nothing else.
i keep dragging Blair into it because i kept voting for him and feel massively let down. because of him i haven’t voted Labour since like late 2000s or whenever.
Unless something is done the end result is going to be that you won’t get to the front but unless you can afford to pay into this extortion racket then you’re guaranteed to be at the very back of the queue. Essentially it’ll be a massive tax for getting ill only instead of going back into healthcare it goes straight into some doctor’s back bin and the profits of some healthcare gangsters.
Not sure what the best answer is but somebody needs to be saying fuck that or else the NHS is finished.
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Labour manifesto is out! I’m saddened by the EU bit -
“We will be confident in our status outside of the EU, but a leading nation in Europe once again, with an improved and ambitious relationship with our European partners”
Whilst i’m hoping that means stronger ties to the EU it’s quite clear he isn’t planning to do anything about rejoining the single market
I personally think EVERYTHING is down to tory idealogy though! even if labour idealogies have exacerbated specific things on the way. We have always been ruled under the ruler and subject thing, we are here to serve them not them to serve us. The Tory idealogy is born from that, if were to simplify everything, we can bring it down to that so yeah, modern times are down to that way of rule and progression has faught to be fairer throughout but the last 14 years in particular has been a clawing back to their preferred status quo and right now is a smash and grab because of failure. But there is still powers that pull the strings to usher in the next lot that still lets their needs met.
Privatisation for services for all is plain wrong, it divides us at the bottom and middle.
The thing that the upper classes do so well is make the middle think they are closer to them than they are the bottom. Whereas in reality the divide between the classes is massive. On a scale of 1-100, the lower classes reside 1-5, middle class is at 5-10, there is a sub class of rich that still work hard and have a vocation but get paid well are 20-30 and the people who make the rules are 90-100. No one in between. The middle class think they are miles away from the scum and close to the top so they vote for the benefits of the top because they think that they have their interests too. They don’t, the middle are still cogs in the machine.
Of course, this is based on nothing but my own made up Bias. But it’s an opinion for sure.
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That’s basically the same as the Lib Dems.
not at all
“we would aim to place the UK-EU relationship on a more formal and stable footing by seeking to join the Single Market.”
that’s the bit that gets me excited (if it ever happened, not that it would etc etc)
i don’t disagree with that. but to say our entire current state of affairs is down to them is disingenuous.
two years before the Tories took power in 2010 we had a global financial crisis start which fucked our GDP and economy in general. we can’t blame the Tories for that. Labour started making cuts and would have had to continue with that if they had won. no doubt it would’ve been CONSIDERABLY fairer than the decade+ of austerity but it still would’ve happened
Shrugs 
yeah that’s kinda my point. plus they can say whatever they want but doesn’t mean they’re gonna do shit
don’t really have much to go on though, i either go by what they say they’re gonna do or just throw a dart at a board and vote based on the result
I said the idealogy that the tories base themselves off is the problem not the tories as a party of people ruling in the past however long. Labour etc have done their share and business and progress has contributed too but The core problem to where society is is that fundamental idea that the tories want to stay at and exploit.
Labour manifesto makes me feel relatively hopeful. I’m gonna vote for them but some stuff definitely seems a bit worrying.
Crowding in investment to their Great British Energy plan will get a lot of private companies excited, but it’s probably going to mean the taxpayer pays for private companies to extract profit. Always worries me seeing shit like that, better off just giving tax breaks tbh, and I am still not much wiser on what Great British Energy actually is…like can I Ieave EDF and get billed by GBE or is it just another layer of bureaucracy like a marketing wing of the National Grid?
Bit weird.
‘Take back our streets’ sounds utterly horrible too. They talk about the poorest areas being most affected by it but then go on to talk about city centre examples. I mean, being selfish I’d love it if they shifted all the mad junkies from the city centre here, but it doesn’t help the poorest people if you just herd them all into their neighbourhoods. More community police and mental health support sounds good though.
Still working through it. Anyone else spotted anything notable?
yeah i’m really really stoked on the idea of the British energy company but they’ve definitely been a bit hazy on details. i’m really hoping it’s going to be good because there’s potential. like we have fuck tons of offshore wind farms that were funded by overseas investments who now reap massive profits from it. perhaps we could build our own ones and succeed that way? hopefully it’s gonna be good
i’m really glad he’s finally got something out about the mental health and social care in general because that was missing from everything he’d talked about previously. almost like it wasn’t a priority at all. well at least it’s there now
the trip for me is reading all this and knowing that he IS going to be the PM so that this is going to happen
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the trip for me is reading all this and knowing that he IS going to be the PM so that this is going to happen
Don’t jinx it.
