The Brexit Thread

Ah yes I admit I forgot the detail of this Scottish thing - the second referendum/general election withdrawal route. Yeah ok I accept I’m wrong on that point.

But as the EU was dead against this, and it wasn’t in the Lisbon treaty, I still stand by the belief that our position and existing agreements will be challenged if we rejoin.

The EU was against it as a unilateral option.

And there is no passarelle clause in the protocols relating to UK specific rights in the Lisbon Treaty, nor the European Commission being unable to propose laws relating to security or defense. Plus, alongside Denmark and Malta, we never signed up to PESCO.

If we remain we legally revert to exactly how things were. It’s as simple as that.

Three weeks, and we can put all this behind us and move on.
All the indications are that U.K. and EU negotiators are going to come up with a deal. The EU has always played hardball, and ran rings round Theresa May, but they haven’t been able to bank on Boris caving in. What this means is that both sides have had to give and take. The resulting deal will let us leave and be independent, while letting the EU protect its Single Market, and let trade between us continue.
I could be speaking too soon, but I think it’s all over and Brexit is going to happen.

That is your most absurd comment yet.

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Are you fucking deluded? We can all move on? If my business suffers and I can’t pay my mortgage and my kids don’t get the medicine they need then i’m coming for you.

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Wait and see. If they can come up with a deal that can be accepted by the DUP and the ERG but also a dozen or so Labour centrists, it’s done. And all the indications so far are that all of those groups are willing to compromise. The U.K. and EU/Irish negotiators aren’t so stupid they’d sign off a deal that would destroy businesses and jobs or stop people getting medicine, or cause fire to rain from the sky or plagues of locusts or whatever else is supposed to happen if we leave.

This recent development is intriguing, what exactly is the compromise that’s pleased the Irish PM so much?

shares in businesses that will thrive as we transition to becoming the 51st state ha

I wouldn’t be surprised if members of the cabinet or relatives aren’t shareholders of P&O, stena link etc.

They haven’t released all the details but as I understand it, it’s an arrangement that means NI counts as in the EU for things that matter to Europe, and out of the EU for things that matter to us

I’m not saying a deal won’t be done. I’m saying you are beyond naive if you think it is “done with” and will be put behind us.

Not a chance; much as fringe Eurosceptics like yourself never gave up on the idea of us leaving there will be many who will not give up on us becoming a part of the EU again and every single negative experienced after Brexit will be used as ammunition for the cause. The difference being it won’t be a couple of hundred Alan Sked devotees or James Goldsmith funded lobbying, this will be millions.

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Unless the as yet unspecified benefits of Brexit finally appear, we can refer back to this for a good few decades if it turns out even leaving with a deal is a steaming pile of shit.

Move on, bahaha… it’s the beginning of things like this…

‘I didn’t know that I couldn’t do this anymore when I voted leave!’

And…

‘1,000s of holidays at risk because of the passport back log’

It hasn’t even began.

Hang on a minute, the deal hasn’t been finalised yet, no one knows whether this will be the case

You’re right. But reports in the press and by TV journalists like the BBC’s Katya Adler suggest that a kind of dual status for NI is what they’re working on.

Can’t wait to hear what Scotland might want too, as a country in the UK being dragged into this by England and having even contemplated separation very, very recently by way of a referendum, no less.

You think that’s bad?!

DUP Deputy leader Nigel Dodds is not backing a Brexit ‘double customs’ plan. So those chickens you’re counting haven’t hatched just yet.

It’s not going to be easy. The more concessions you give to the EU, the more you risk upsetting the DUP and the ERG. And vice versa. And you need to reach out to 19 or 20 Labour Leave MPs. It’s going to be a very delicate balancing act.

Why would anyone care about upsetting the ERG?

Because to get the deal through Parliament Boris needs the votes of Jacob Rees-Mogg, and Arlene Foster, and Stephen Kinnock. They all want different things and he has to try to please them all - it at least, not upset them.

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