Ukraine and Russia

You’d think even the hardcore maga types must feel had by now

That would be the thought, right - but that’s my echo chamber. It’s seen as indefensible from where I sit.
But we’ve said this before. And it has been defended.

Between the Zelensky bully-boy session and the Trump Gaza video, we are really treading new ground.
How far is too far?

The worry is that this is nowhere near the ‘indefensible’ line for some.

Their motivations are purely selfish, any time they think they’ve one upped someone else they see it as a win. All reasonable Americans seem to feel totally humiliated by the whole thing. The Michael Fabricants all just think they won.

That ai video must have been 100% musk. What a colossal Michael Fabricant. He’s basically darth vader played by David Brent

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Responsible Capitalism is going well isn’t it?

I mean, I know this. I’m just looking for content backing that view here, really.

I think people will just laugh and say that’s just Trump. Never following politics and then seeing how we did it with Boris in charge, that’s gonna be the baseline. Many people have grown up thinking that you do business like they do on the Apprentice so that train of thinking surely can be used across the board for anything. Get one over on someone and win.
I think we’d be surprised how many people don’t think this is crazy at all.

There are no words for JD Vance. He’s so snivelling. Every film has him, in Aliens he’s Burke.
Makes my blood boil.

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I heard the term ‘the less informed voter’ the other day. Probably people that get all their news third hand off their biased friend circles in life or online and believe it all. The sort of people that ring up LBC angry but when pushed can’t actually give a reasoned answer or example but they’re in the right because their mate Dave told them! You will never change their minds. They don’t care about the wider picture as it’s all about how it affects their narrow little world view (when it probably doesn’t but they want to be angry at something for their miserable life!).

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Everyone probably seen this but it made me laugh after what was an awful event:

Also, impressive turnaround from SNL

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‘Coalition of the Willing’ is not the coolest bad ass name ever, you know, they are just willing to give it a go? haha… but I guess they can’t call it ‘Team fuck Trump and Putin, hell yeah!’

Trumps stops aid to Ukraine. Imagine intentionally being the worse human on the planet! I despair, I really do!

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This is his message to Europe, the UK and basically every other country that he will treat every nation like shit unless they kiss his arse. Being allies with America means fuck all.

Fixed.

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I hope everyone calls his bluff and the USA are sat on their own with no one to play with.
They aren’t as big as they think. Most powerful nation in the world was their claim and has just been just posturing for a long long time.

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How do we think Putin will respond? He should use this opportunity to push harder and conclude the war in a victory, right?

Or will he pause too?

Putin’s been quite quiet recently eh?

“Never interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake”

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What do the USA give to the rest of the world apart from arms? There must be lots of things but most the rest of the world could do without or get elsewhere?

iPhones? Netflix? YouTube?

A LOT of tech to say the least. Including the platform this forum is hosted on.

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Since the end of the Bretton Woods system the US Dollar has been the world’s reserve currency. The value of the dollar is defended by the military industrial complex. The IMF and World Bank have made dollar denominated loans to developing countries all over the world which reinforces the primacy of the USA and Western countries and maintains the leadership role of the USA and G7 (formerly G8) countries.

This role has been challenged by the rapid emergence of BRICS as a counterparty superpower. De-dollarization and a new economic way are being proposed by countries including India, China and Russia (who left the G8).

So the US has brought stability, but at the cost of independence. All countries who have accepted loans for development are beholden to the USA and to the West, and this has had a major effect on global culture and politics.

China has begun a similar policy of what is often called ‘Debt-trap diplomacy’, and they have a national policy called the ‘Belt and Road initiative’ which hoovers up resources and builds massive infrastructure in China. You have probably seen all those massive infrastructure projects in China, empty cities and stuff. They have been out tying up resources all over the world to ensure they have what they need to achieve their strategic aims.

This is often dressed up as being a ‘trade war’ but really it’s more of a resource war. Whoever controls the earth’s resources determines the direction, and the politics of the future.

Essentially, the world has two competing viewpoints on how to move forward. China/BRICS have one, USA/G7 have one. Both competing options require massive funding and global resources. Elon is pretty much the figurehead of the USA/G7 future vision, the Chinese government is the other. Elon is rockets, Mars and sustainable energy, China is Belt and Road and something called the ‘Global Civilization Initiative’ which Xi Jinping talks about a lot.

What other countries think about this is kind of a moot point. China and USA determine the direction. Russia is potentially a player on either side. Could rejoin the G7, could stay aligned with BRICS. Saudi Arabia is doing its own thing entirely and positioning itself as a bit of a Switzerland type neutral entity. Interesting in itself.

This is all new world order stuff basically.

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