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Pret.
Short for pretentious.

Bollocks.,original spelling was way off. I do know how to spell it.

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They must be Autechre fans. I like it, My missus wouldn’t allow our youngest to be called “tt1pd” or “elyc6 onset”

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So it looks like we’ll be able to exercise more and sit in a park with out friends (2m apart) from Monday. But ‘lockdown’ will still technically be in place. More confusing messaging from the government. Chances of a second wave?

I suppose it seems likely given how many times they’re saying in the press that the lockdown will be eased. It didn’t work for Germany initially but they’ve generally coped much better and probably had a stricter lockdown anyway.

I’d feel more confident if the number of deaths were as low as they’ve got now in Spain and Italy, hopefully we’ll there in a month or so, seems early now though.

Why not ease the lockdown? We’re second at the moment in terms of deaths so we may as well push for the win now.

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Trump is just right out there at the moment, no sugar coating it, he is happy for people to die in order for the economy to recover

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His problem is that it’s not a simple choice. If you release lockdown too soon then the economy will suffer more than if you stayed the course. But people like him and people who vote for people like him just want simple choices. Any time someone tries to make a nuanced argument they believe that person must be trying to bamboozle them and they get frustrated, angry and dismissive. They’re basically children.

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I genuinely believe that he doesn’t care. He wants and needs this to go away as soon as possible because it’s hurting his presidency as much as it’s hurting the US economy

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Is all the Monday hype really a good idea? I’m sure a lot of people will just take it as it’s over, back to normal. 2nd wave?

it’ll be 24 hours before the front pages are outrage at parks filled to the brim with people sitting together

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The one thing it would represent would be a big change politically from ‘we won’t risk a second wave’, I guess they’ll have to justify it but even that could be hard with the number of deaths still quite high and testing targets not being met.

Can’t stop thinking about this tweet, especially form someone who knows all about spin. Have been trying to get my head around the comparison of death’s between countries.

What sources do you guys have for accurate insights? A lot of news websites go round in circles, telling me that the death stats cannot be compared directly, but then not really giving a clear reason why.

The Channel 4 Fact Check website, seems to say it is an issue of other countries possibly underreporting deaths?

Interestingly from David Spiegelhalter:

Whether we did the very worst or were merely one of the worst does not matter at all. The fact is that most countries did a lot better and when it all comes out in the wash it’ll be evident that they didn’t do enough soon enough and a lot more people died as a result.

tbh i think the speed/extend of the lockdown inquiries are going to pale in comparison to the old people’s homes stuff

“protect the NHS” has seems to have left the government utterly blind to the plight of the most vulnerable. virus-positive elderly being sent back to homes whilst possibly still contagious in order to free up space in hospitals etc etc etc

Not only that, there will doubtless at some point be a pretty big story about patients acquiring it in hospitals as well.

oh yeah 1000%

The whole clap for Boris thing was baffling. He’s not some sort of Churchillian figure, guiding the country out of a national disaster. I think the nationalistic fervour around Brexit has bled into this Covid situation. I’m thinking of deactivating my Facebook account, all the St. George’s day, approval for Boris and Vera Lynn bollocks is doing my head in.

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The Tories absolutely hate the whole thing, it goes so far against the grain for them. A problem for which the only solution involves collectivism. Comments of the 1922 committee are what they really think. Saying that people are “a little too willing” to stay at home.

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