Someone remind me again why we need skate comps?
If you fancy a good get-together, just have a ‘jam’ instead. Loads more fun.
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Whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on a minute there.
Corey Duffel is blonde!?!?!
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Blonde as a Californian can be.
It’s an interesting point Hugo. A bit like if you said such and such was gay, or skated goofy, or only had one testicle or something. I know you don’t care and I didn’t mean it to sound like an accusation, as it wasn’t intended to be one.
As you were.
Basically, some people were shocked at the standard of a girl, saying how good she was, and I was the one to point out she was not born a girl, so it made me look like a dick.
It’s not like I accused them of being some kind of skate cat fish.
Also, remember when Brendan transitioned into Tom Knox’s grandma for day in the city? 
Haha, Skate Mum. I remember loads of people being bummed with that edit winning the comp? I thought it was great.
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Actually, was that the same year as Zorlac and Cates as Del and Rodney? If so, I take it back - that should deffo have won!
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Hey, what’s happening? I got a beep.
Some were like that for sure (more smaller local ones)… but I was actively travelling to other countries and up & down this country because they had girls comps advertised as early as 2001.
With all the other stuff you make points on, I find it really hard to form and then voice an opinion… Before you could chat about this stuff with people (face to face in real life) and maybe say one thing then realise you were wrong, change your mind and think differently. Now, you write something down on the internet and people can use it against you for eternity. You can’t learn, grow and change without things coming back to haunt you. For example, when I was like 11 (or whenever Jason Donovan played Scott in Neighbours), someone at my school said he was gay. I remember saying that it was wrong and that he wouldn’t be let into heaven for being such a thing. I’m not religious (never have been) and I’m a lesbian (always have been)! I know I was 11 bla bla but I think I still sometimes think a certain thing for a while and then change my mind…and I want to just be able to do that without being hammered for it.
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Your schoolmate damn near caused the collapse of The Face. Shout out Jason Donovan himself for reigning things in and letting it pass, eventually.
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A lot of the time I hold two opinions on things, like this! I can see good and bad in both, and I completely agree, people get pulled up on what they have said all the time, when opinions can change. Online footprints are going to start being an issue more and more so I respect you can’t really say much…
Remember BITD when if you edited your own skating, you were seen as a bit of a CMOAC bell end…
Now people edit themselves with a bunch of slo mo at skate parks, post themselves to their own accounts, start companies and turn themselves pro, and this is accepted as the norm…
Although, I also remember a time when if you used the internet you were a nerd, so what do I know, times change.
Correct, it’s a horrible state of affairs.
I think the Zorlac one was the first year and Skate Mum was the third.
I remember people being bummed for two reasons - the winner was the organiser/judges snowboarding buddy (Which whilst possibly a bit suspect, but also a it bitchy for everyone who said that) but mainly because the prize was £4,000 and everyone had expected that purse to be split between 1-3 with also some fun prizes such as “best trick”, “best slam”, etc.
Skateboarding doesn’t have rules and most of us don’t care about competitions or the aspects of it that have been turned into a more regimented ‘sport’ but apparently when someone is trans everyone booting off and questions how comps are gonna go? Fuck em anyway.
Someone earlier said if someone is trans and a skater you would want to know ‘elephant in the room style’- I personally wouldn’t, why the fuck would you care? Do you have to ‘know’ if someone is gay too? People suffer trauma for these things and everyone for some reason ‘has to know’ to settle their own selfish needs? Leave people’s personal lives to them. You can say you’re not prejudice but also if you’re so desperate to know someone’s gender before anything else then I would actually say underlying you are fucking prejudice. Grow up and get on with it. Competitions are 90 percent dog shit and people never talk about them in this way until gender issues. Bunch of butt hurt cis dudes.
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I feel like skateboarding is in this phase at the moment where a lot of skaters aren’t homophobic, yet still would consciously notice the difference between a mixed gender couple kissing or a gay couple kissing. That’s underlying prejudice. Even if you don’t care. From reading this forum a lot it’s very obvious that a lot of posters on here are very open and ok and accepting of a lot of queer, gender and race based issues, but a lot of you have some serious underlying prejudices. But when you grow up in a culture like, for example, 90s/2000s skateboarding and finding ‘bumming’ jokes and masculine culture hilarious than it’s kinda obvious where these things stem from, it’s just something you need to grow out of. Especially if you haven’t grown up in a city, and instead in some middle of nowhere fucking crap village or town suburb. Guess my point is, there are a lot of people who would be all ‘fuck the patriarchy’ but also contribute to its system of oppression without knowing they’re doing so.
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Western culture is barely accepting of people’s skin colour. We’re miles away from acceptance of non-traditional genders let alone sexual orientation
We act like we’re super tolerant and progressive but until the dinosaurs die off and the next generation ages up we’re still going to be stuck in the 80s
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No you don’t but then why do people feel the need to come out so publicly then? You can’t be saying to one set of people that they need to stop making an issue of things but to the other that they should come out and be proud. The two ways of thinking don’t match up.
Noticing something isn’t prejudice in my opinion, hating on it or treating others in a negative or patronising way could be though for example.
Because if someone is gay it’s about them- not you. That’s so black and white for an issue that’s so complex and I would argue is a perfect example of underlying prejudice. Some people want to come out as it’s been trauma that’s effecting them their whole life, some people just want to stop rumours or people whispering under their breath, or talking behind their back. If someone wants to come out, that’s their choice- not yours. And you can’t use that as cannon fodder to undermine other issues of sexuality. With all due respect, if you’re not gay, and I’m guessing you’re not marginalised at all, then you don’t get a say in what the queer community can and can’t do because you don’t understand what they’ve been through. This isn’t about you and that’s my point.
Noticing it isn’t prejudice no, but the fact you see it as ‘different’ or ‘other’ than the norm is an example of underlying prejudice. You’re not homophobic but you’ve grown up in a culture where homophobia is normalised and used as the butt of jokes and that’s ok, but it’s a part of society that we should make an effort to change. Why should those that have been marginalised be subject to further discrimination day to day by those that have never experienced anything other than privilege they’ve been born into?
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Again, that doesn’t make sense; it’s about them but they need to tell the whole world about it? I don’t have an issue with going public, if people want to come out that way then good for them if it makes them feel better or more confident but as I say, you can’t say one set of people should have one rule; don’t make an issue and then another set of people should make an issue of it. That increases the divisions to me.
That sounds more like you’re assuming to me.
It’s not the norm, that’s a simple fact, most people aren’t gay. It’s what you do with that information if you have it which makes the difference; are you going to treat others that are different from yourself in a potentially negative way (stereotyping them for example) or are you going to do your best to treat them as you would want to be treated in their position?
