Sums up my feelings exactly.
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Posting a John Hill video of Garrett Ginner?
Are you trying to give UK Skate Forum the Elon Musk treatment and scare everyone off?
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Came up on my YT feed and I have no idea who either is.
Embrace the change nav 
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Garretts marginally less annoying than most and he kick flipped wallenberg so at least heâs not shit.
Either overcrooks exist or they donât and itâs all nosegrinds. Personally I think they do because it allows for proper frontside nosegrinds on round rails which look absolutely insane
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Itâs like saying salads/suskis donât exist
change my mind
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Haha Iâm glad that was short but both tricks looked very similar to me.
Like Suski Iâm a bit split because backside seems legit but frontside not. Particularly on a ledge.
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fs nosegrind
bs overcrook
fs salad
bs suski
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So what if you did a perfectly balanced, straight backside nose manual grinding along a rail, thatâd be an overcrook?
I just mean imo overcrook can only be bs, can still do a bs nosegrind if its straight, same as a straight bs 5-0 isnt a suski or a straight fs 5-0 isnt a salad.
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I see it as a way to describe, if you had no visual cues, a trick.
For example, Penny does that shifty flip over besos. PJ Ladd does the nollie heel shifty in PJLWHL. Theyâre just basic tricks but itâs the way theyâre done. And because of the way theyâre done that theyâre notable.
I did, what I described to people at the time, an ollie over a flatbar to bs crook, coming out forwards into a bank, as the nomenclature for what I was doing didnât exist at the time (1999?). It definitely wasnât a bs nosegrind. The still of the trick looks like a basic crook. Without context itâs just a crook. It most definitely is not a backside nosegrind. With a nosegrind itâs best if you donât touch the nose. With a crook the nose 100% has to touch. As far as I know you canât straight pop out of a nosegrind in the middle of a freestanding round rail (unless itâs on a box), you got to pop it out from a crook.
So I donât know why people get salty over overcrooks. It gives valuable context to how the trick is done if you donât have the visual.
If you apply the âovercrook is just a nosegrindâ rule, you could go round telling people you can bs overcrook when what youâre actually doing is just a bs crook. Because if a fs crook is just a nosegrind then a bs crook is just a nosegrind. Therefore bs overcrook = bs crook = nosegrind.
wtf
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1000% on all of those points. we have different tricks names for different tricks. nosegrind, crook and overcrook are different tricks. the pinch (or at least touching the nose) and the angle make them completely different
Also, itâs like saying a feeble and smith are the same trick, on a freestanding bar. When you name the trick you know whether they rolled in bs or frontside, no further context needed
Iâm sure these points have already been made on slap or whatever but I never go on there, so sorry not sorry.
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Rad Rat doesnât how fakie backside tailslides
work so he can get fucked about wading into any trick name debate.
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Deleted as Iâm in way over my head on this one.
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I remember talking about this before - so cool you did that trick documented before whoever decided a frontside nosegrind wasnât possible, for some reason!
Thereâs all sorts of logic behind skateboard terminology and this one breaks the rules (like varial flip).
I have no idea who those people are in the video, but Iâm sure those two tricks feel different, you need different angles for your body and board position and they look different, so how would âmid-schoolâ ( 
) tradiitionalists describe them? Just both nose grinds?
I used to do frontside nose grinds on transition and my back wheels certainly never went over the coping, and nose never touched either. But as per the end of that video, I canât do either trick!
#TrickNamePedantryisFUN 
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My 2 cents.
No such thing as FS overcrook, always a nosegrind.
BS overcrook, yup.
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Iâve always gone with this as well.
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