US Election 2024

Same. I don’t have enough bandwidth in my head to deal with this!

I’m sure he said that he threatened to tariff France in exactly the same way just the other day too?

Either he’s lying or that is his go to threat when dealing with foreign countries that he has an issue with?

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The whole tariffs thing he’s banging on about is just crazy. It’s the US businesses that will be paying the tariffs on foreign goods so they’ll just end up increasing their price to the consumer and people will have to pay more. I’m not entirely sure he really knows what they are and who actually pays them. The dude is completely mental.

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#prayformericuh

Yep. He spouts streams of complete nonsense.

I think he’s going full fascist, wearing proud boys yellow and black recently. I had to throw away my black and yellow fred Perry cos of those dickheads. It’s a failure of politicians over the last 50 years that’s put him there though

It’s super close.
My feeling is that for all the tension and drama, whoever wins isn’t going to make a huge difference.
I could be wrong but I think that once in office, Trump won’t be as bad as his opponents fear, and Harris won’t be as good as her supporters hope.
I think part of the problem in the States is both sides seeing the election in apocalyptic terms: it’ll be the end of the world/the end of democracy if the other candidate wins.

I think the exact opposite will happen, he’s been quite vocal about his intentions (‘I’ll be dictator for a day’, terminating constitution etc), plus there are no grown-ups left in the Republican party, those guardrails are no longer there. All that’s left are crayon-eating MAGA yes-men.

Agree with you on the Dem side about Harris.

But let’s see.

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As Mark said, i think you’re wrong on that completely. Trump’s last presidency was AWFUL. Amongst many of the terrible things he did was setting back to the climate change movement heavily but defunding and destroying many of the US’ environmental agencies. This wasn’t for a scientific reason - he is funded by people whose interests include denying climate change. So in order to make money for a tiny handful of billionaires he helped fuck over over planet. That is one example among many.

That was years ago - he now has built up a lot of animosity and enemies who he would punish and everyone/everything related to them. He only wants the presidency to avoid jail anyway

Look up Project 2025. That is what he wants to do. Republic of Gilead or Dark Ages mk2.

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  1. Massively disagree with the Trump take
  2. Kind of agree with the Harris take

However, having a black female president is a helluva step in the right direction.

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Trump could potentially be really bad, he’s no doubt learned a lot from last time. Harris would be another Obama I think. She seems similarly competent but also very much a realist in terms of recognising that there are no shortcuts to making things better, it’s just a long fucking slog.

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We’ll be ignoring climate change natural distasters even more than now if he gets in. Fuel will continue to be taken from the earth with no regard other than the people who are dealing getting their money while they can. I don’t think it’s possible for the world to go full right wing, you can’t shut up 50% of the population but I guess you can try and there will be rebuke from all sides. It’s basically going to put fuel on the fire and enrage it more than ever.

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I’m not sure about that.
Obama was one of the greats. He had charisma, and he could think on his feet.
I think she’d be a bit more pedestrian.

Yeah, Obama was an incredible statesman and I really have no idea if Harris has those kind of chops. I just mean in terms of lots of people will be left feeling let down by her lack of progress, being the first woman president. But that system just isn’t set up to make it easy to make sweeping changes. Unless you just change all the rules like Trump seems to be planning.

I don’t think we’ve seen the best of Harris yet. She did used to be some hotshot lawyer, and you got to be pretty sharp to do that.

I agree though, she doesn’t exactly have me jumping on the chair whooping. But let’s see.

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At least the fucking thing is here now and happening, instead of the months of build up we’ve had. And at least the Democrats aren’t still trying to do the Weekend At Bernie’s renactment with Joe. It’d be a foregone conclusion if he’d carried on. Plus Kemi’s new shadow cabinet might as well be staffed by work experience kids due to the tiny pool she has to pick from. It’s not all bad (yet).

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Sounds like you haven’t been paying attention. As nazoreth said look up Project 2025

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I just looked up Project 2025.
It was produced by a right-wing think tank called the Heritage Foundation.
According to the BBC Trump now says it was nothing to do with him and he disagrees with parts of it, but the Harris team say he’s behind it.
The BBC say:

with the Trump campaign seeking to distance themselves from the project, its future is in doubt - even if many of its core ideas seem likely to shape policy in a hypothetical second Trump administration.
At the same time, many of the proposals would likely face immediate legal challenges from Trump’s opponents if implemented.

I sometimes think America is due some sort of civil war. The way things work over there is just too divided politically, racially, financially, socially, even academically.

It might not be unreal to see certain states claim their independence or form separate unions. Achieving this without bloodshed would be a true feat of democracy although I doubt there wouldn’t be shots fired.

Re: Harris
She has strong potential with her legal background to fight properly for good causes. What her knowledge and influence is on a global stage is a different thing. She’ll have a bit of an Obama effect but he was pretty ineffective on the world stage. She might be the same and focus on home - which honestly isn’t a bad thing.

Re: Trump
The man holds a grudge. He’s out for revenge if he gets back in and the knock on effect of his presidency will only ramp up other dictators around the world. Yes, opposition might try everything they can to slow him down or stop him but he’ll still do irreparable damage.

I haven’t looked at either one’s pledges but Kamala would help herself and her party if she didn’t load her plate too high. Focus on the Supreme Court would help get other things done. I doubt she’d do it, but standing up to Israel and calling a spade a spade might help too.

The entire thing was written by Trump associates and close friends. His advisors have distanced him from it but he himself never publicly has - while he has publicly said things that have appeared in the document. For example his desire to change the constitution so he could be president more than twice etc.

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