It needed to be rushed out though didn’t it? shit was imminent. Before, meds/vaccines probably sat in queues to get from one stage to another much like a piece of council planning taking months to get passed across the room to another desk when if everyone in the office is free the plan could be passed in 20 mins.
Regardless of whether it took 5 years to pass or 5 months a side effect or a negative of any sort can be missed or not become evident until it reaches the perfect candidate for it to manifest. Timescale and side effects are not related I don’t think personally.

Yes, anything can kill somebody. With enough people, some are going to die. Like with Covid, for example, that’s killed 5.2m people globally. Loads! The vaccines, which help prevent people dying of Covid, have killed 73 people. I don’t know why it’s such a tricky line to walk.

Hippos kill 3,000 people a year! Three THOUSAND. Why aren’t we shooting all these creatures?!


Isnt that completely untrue?

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Not sure why you stated it like I said that these possible future side effects/negatives were promoting not taking the vaccine. I was pointing out that these things can happen with anything on trial that has to have stringent testing regardless of how long it took to pass.

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Because Builda replied to my post in a strange way but that’s fairly normal here. As you were Mick.

Well I’ve failed to understand what you were saying then, so apologies. I thought I was replying logically.

It was a fine reply if I said that I wasn’t going to take the vaccine because of the side effects.

See the couple of posts above my first one. I was stating in the most simple way that the vaccine timescales were not something that should be linked to side effects which is a massive point that anti vaxxers use for their argument, solidifying that the vaccine should be taken regardless of how fast or what side effects crop up.

But people aren’t. That’s why there are anti vaxxers. The arguments go down rabbit holes and forget simple common sense. Not saying i’m clever enough to remind people about common sense but there you go.

Practicing what you preach dude :wink:

but i’m not arguing against vaxxers, i’m needlessly arguing with you because you misread me. shrugs shoulders

Well, not DNA but genomic information …

Development of COVID-19 vaccines utilizing gene therapy technology | International Immunology | Oxford Academic (

Pharmaceutics | Free Full-Text | Opportunities and Challenges in the Delivery of mRNA-Based Vaccines | HTML (

ditto baby

With all this previously-unacknowledged expertise in genomic research - and in deoxyribonucleic acid - appearing on the internet now, from people who would (on first impression) seem to have no background in medicine whatsoever, it’s a wonder none of these newly-discovered experts are willing to go and help the NHS just now. Maybe even just publish a few reports, because they will get read.

Christmas is a busy time though, obviously.


The second article states:

“However, mRNA is often promulgated on the grounds of the popular opinion that when using mRNA, unlike DNA, the stringent gene-therapy regulations are bypassed because mRNA does not integrate into the host genome. However, in reality, this only holds true in the US since in Europe, any active pharmaceutical ingredient, which contains or consists of a recombinant nucleic acid, used in or administered to human beings, falls under the scope of the regulation for advanced therapy medicinal products. Therefore, mRNA-based therapeutics are categorized as gene therapy.”

Which is what I was referring in the reply to build earlier that ‘vaccines for infectious diseases’ are no longer treated as ‘advanced therapies’ in EU law.

I’m going to Paris on Thursday, just for the day. Just took a fit-to-travel PCR test at St Pancras this morning. Will this test count for the return in the evening as well? I can’t find info anywhere. It’s not within 48 hours of the test, but I guess it counts as within 2 days. The requirement for the pre-travel return test only came in today. Fucking hell what a lot of palaver.

Basically, yes

Actual scientists have worked on it, so I reckon it’s fine and you shouldn’t worry. Where would the worrying stop?

There’s some new Icelandic yoghurt in my fridge, and while I’ve got absolutely no idea how rigorously it’s been tested, I’ll probably have some. Life is too short to worry about these things, and it’s even shorter if you don’t get vaccinated.


This is contrary to what you wrote here…
This paragraph states that the vaccine DOES NOT interact with the patient’s genome.
But in the EU, because of its use of rna IT IS treated like, and tested as the more stringent category of ‘gene therapy’