In the news thread

The probability of being {black, unarmed, and shot by police} is about 3.49 times the probability of being {white, unarmed, and shot by police} on average. Furthermore, the results of multi-level modeling show that there exists significant heterogeneity across counties in the extent of racial bias in police shootings, with some counties showing relative risk ratios of 20 to 1 or more. Finally, analysis of police shooting data as a function of county-level predictors suggests that racial bias in police shootings is most likely to emerge in police departments in larger metropolitan counties with low median incomes and a sizable portion of black residents, especially when there is high financial inequality in that county

That’s just one study, there’s lots more out there.

With stats like that, if you’re a cop in America, everything is about race. If this was a one off thing I’d be more inclined to agree with you. But i think you are being naive.

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I agree with you to a point and I was pretty surprised at how quickly/instantly it was turned into a race issue by the media, I’d rather it would be reported without physical descriptions. If descriptions are needed to help identify a suspect on the run then that would be different, or if the case was already in court and racial discrimination had come up then it would be relevant as well.

That said, there is something badly, badly wrong with the police in the States and their treatment of black people. I’m surprised and yet not so surprised that nothing has been done to improve things.

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That’s a bit harsh. I get where he’s coming from but in this situation, the race descriptions are key to highlighting the problem, whether it works like that to most americans is debateable, but to the outside world it’s seen as a massive problem that needs stamping out. The problem is hating people with anything but white skin is still a big thing in huge parts of America and the way these are reported could possibly have the opposite effect i.e. some people feling it’s a good job done, again.

I don’t think the parallels here are a stretch at all.

Much needed good news.

Unless you’re a Nissan employee in Spain.

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That’s true, though they can presumably take advantage of the wider jobs market that the UK workers don’t have any more.

Fuck me! You’ve put 1 and 1 together and got about 14! Firstly you’ve made an (incorrect) assumption on my race straight away, I’m mixed race.
Secondly, my point isn’t that racism isn’t the case here, or that it isn’t a huge fucking issue in the U.S., particularly in the police force. My point is that assumptions (even if they are 99% likely) are still assumptions, and until its a fact that he was killed because he was black then he should be labelled as a man rather than a black man.
Making distinctions of colour is helping no one and only reinforces segregation.

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It’s not about the literal motives of the cop in question, and whether he wanted a man to die because he was black, it’s about a system of authority and justice which is heavily weighted against black people. More black people die at the hands of US policemen than white people. Black people face a prejudiced system of profiling, deterrence and punishment which leads to situations like this unnecessarily escalating in such a tragic way.

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one of the biggest issues with this is how utterly acceptable it is in the US. outside of New York and California the majority would see nothing wrong with most of the cop-shootings and to argue against the police in these cases is un-American

This right here should tell you all you need to know. America essentially doesn’t have a police force. It’s been ruled in court that they have no obligation to protect citizens, and that “protect and serve” is merely a slogan. They are there to keep order, and a lot of that involves holding down certain groups of people, in their eyes. As an organisation they’re little more than a government employed gang, and anyone getting in to it to be a “good egg” has been duped. The average cop’s IQ is insanely low and they regularly turn away applicants for being too clever.

Same US state

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https://twitter.com/theelovelylaya/status/1265899290825818112?s=20

Anyone listening/watching to this embarrassing shitshow?

The two sock puppet scientists should resign now. Cowards. Utter, utter cowards.

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Durham police have said a minor offence did happen on the local news, Boris says that they have just said that the case was closed on national news, ffs.

This has always Fucked me off . White men with guns, patriots, any other colour is a terrorist threat.
Says
It
All

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Can you quote the person that said that Racism isn’t an issue Mick? Because no one said it. Everyone knows it’s a huge problem and is a constant battle for any person of colour in white policed areas. Deacon, albeit naively said that stating the person’s colour in a death situation shouldn’t be an issue because on the face of it (because a person of power and stature is involved) it wasn’t race related, it was crime related. This is wrong and many of us pointed out that in this case, and any case of similar nature, the race being mentioned is totally needed as it’s possibly a huge driving force to how the situation even evolved. I personally said that in a perfect world Deacon would be right but America is not the perfect world, it’s one of the most flawed we know.

The fact that that amount of officers are protecting the person in question just cements the fact that the whole place is still riddled and pretty much built on racism.

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So there’s going to be further easing in the UK, the numbers really don’t look too good enough to back that up to me.

Meanwhile South Korea is experiencing another spike and is closing museums etc again and they’ve had nowhere near the amount of deaths we’ve seen here.

Worrying times.

Just read that back and it sounds arsey, it’s not :wink: No beef