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I hardly think J.K Rowlng is bigoted. Same with Graham Linehan. As much as people on twitter make out that it’s the case. They’re both progressive voices that have been called TERFs and now they’re being threatened with cancelation. I’ve not read seventy-two virgins would you recommend it?

Oh fuck off. Read that article posted above again. You think this is just part of his comedy routine?

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Social justice warriors will paint everyone as the bad guy, except themselves.

I’ve never actually voted Tory. But social justice is pretty tiring tbh. I always saw myself as left-wing and yet recent protests and media campaigns on BBC and Guardian have made me think that maybe I’m drifting towards the centre or mainstream media is getting more left-wing/identitarian. Whatever. I don’t know you. I’m not going to make assumptions about you.

Read. The. Fucking. Article.

Sorry I was going to. Can you add the link again?

These type of cases are very isolated though and used as examples when they shouldn’t be a lot of the time.

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One of many you can find about his actions over the past few years

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Neither actually I voted remain and my family aren’t Tory voters. Not that it matters much tbh

JK Rowling has views a lot of women and men will agree with and unfortunately some of those views will cause difficulties for marginalised people. But it’s a sensitive topic and no black and white solution.

Graham Lineham is as clear a bigot as you can get. He has devoted his time, energy and platform to promoting harmful beliefs and has targeted those beliefs at marginalised people, often under the guise of women’s rights, and I really struggle to see how anyone can defend him.

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No my family all voted remain. I was just saying that I can see why people voted leave.

I read the article. He’s clearly being provocative sure.

There is the point that you should be able to make fun of most things. I’m sure the LGBTQ community is robust enough to have people making jokes about it. The idea of cancelling him or criminalising him for this is nuts. Maybe it’s not that funny, fine. He still gets abuse on twitter too.

Agreed

He’s not on Twitter, he got kicked off. For being a prick.

And with regards to making a joke and it all being a bit of fun, it’s not a joke about being gay appearing on a channel 4 sitcom. It’s significant and sustained demeaning of a group of people who just want to get on with their lives.

Imagine waking up every day and looking in the mirror and feeling like you’re in the wrong skin. And then you get on as best you can just to see Graham fucking Lineham telling you you’re at best a man in a dress or at worst a sexual predator. That’s not provocative, that’s demeaning.

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My feeling about Linehan is that he just loves poking fun about things you’re not meant to laugh at. Back in the day it was the Catholic Church. Nowadays it’s what you might call ‘woke’ culture. He’s a comedian rather than a bigot.
My feeling about Rowling is that she’s a political liberal and an old-school feminist with a genuine concern for women’s rights and domestic abuse, and this has got her in trouble with the new generation who are more concerned with gender identity

You’re hardly going to get burned at the stake for heresy in 1997. Taking a pop at priests on a remote Irish island isn’t the same as criticising an entire demographic for their personal choice.

Also lol at ‘Back in the day’. It’s funny hearing the sorts of people who say that now.

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I agree about how you should always try to be ‘punching up’ with jokes. I.e not targeting the weak or vulnerable but having a go at people in power. The issue is that if you can be cancelled and banned from Twitter for a joke- how ‘weak’/ marginal is this group politically?

They’re not jokes though. If you think it’s all just a bit of a laugh then that just reflects on you, not any of the targets of his abuse

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And if someone is cancelled doesn’t it unjustly turn them into a martyred figure? It works against creating a tolerant, inclusive communuty