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Both horse and dog racing can get fucked.

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The pundits/jockeys/trainers or wheoever they were hysterical as fuck because the horses had to walk around for a bit longer.

I can only assume they were in pieces after one died because the race went ahead.

Basically this:

Race doesn’t go ahead - horses go back home
Race goes ahead - shotgun in brain

Protesters = the baddies.

Riiiight.

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If horse racing didn’t exist and someone thought it up as a new form of entertainment it would never go ahead. The fact they quite often die doing it should really make more people question the whole thing.

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I always love this argument. The things we just accept in modern society because they are traditions, institutions or a big part of our history despite being awful.

Imagine if circumcision wasn’t a thing and you tried to sell it in 2023. You’d almost definitely get locked up

Religion? Hunting? Animal racing? No chance

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By the same token though, deaths do occur (although not necessarily at the same frequency, I’m not claiming to know) in other races be it F1, motorbikes (isle of man TT every year), through to sports like football (Christian Eriksen as a notable recent example of someone who nearly died on the pitch).

The difference I suppose is that humans have the agency to choose whether to be involved. Horses do not. Equally though, if horses don’t have agency to choose to race, they don’t have agency to choose to stand around in a field, do farm work, or pull a fancy hearse either. They can go ‘wild’ I suppose, whatever that means, but you wouldn’t see them in this country if they did. Modern horses as they exist now have been shaped by hundreds of years of human input. To some extent if you don’t want them racing, you might not want them anywhere. Whether that’s a shame or not is a different question however…

Finally, the cliched line ‘at least they died doing something they loved’ gets trotted out in relation to humans. Why not for horses?

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Possibly the ‘best’ example. Truly bonkers.

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I remember that discussion coming up with the mother of my first kid.

We were chatting about things relating to customs etc around babies (think christenings etc) and the topic of circumcision came up and she asked my thoughts… I was a bit flabbergasted, thinking oh god, maybe she’s in favour of it. She wasn’t, but wanted to know my stance. She probably could have figured it out herself tbh.

Anyhow, thinking about my penis aside. I just can’t believe you’d voluntarily have a surgery performed on an infant, let alone their genitals.

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Comical. I’m sure they love having a child sized adult strapped to their backs with a whip and being made to run with all their might, while jumping over dangerously massive bushes. When was the last time three people died in one game of football? The Olympics has equestrian events for sport, with nothing like the Grand National in it. Of course there are lots of thing horses can do than be used as pawns in a purely money making, built on betting ‘sport’.

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To be clear I meant that comment to be tongue in cheek and devils advocatey. But I think you’re missing the point - if horses aren’t being raced, we are still choosing for them what they are going to do instead. How do we know that what we choose is an improvement?

I believe racehorses are treated pretty well in the main. Better than some farmyard nag?

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It’s one of those things where society makes it seem so normal but when you look at it from a rational standpoint it’s fucking insane. Parents decide to remove some skin from a infants genitalia because of…? God? God makes us but then wants us to remove a bit of what he made because reasons? It’s mad

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Is the idea not to engage with tongue in cheek and devils advocate posts as we all miss the ‘real’ point? Okay got it, thanks.

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There are medical reasons for it - risk of infection in young children etc. It feels rarer in the UK because the religious reasons are much less common compared to the US where it seems to just be done as standard regardless

I know someone who had to have a circumcision for medical reasons. The numbers are incredibly low on that front

The arguments around cleanliness are bullshit. If you can keep your dick clean then you’re just gross in general. A circumcision isn’t going to help that

Anyway this segue isn’t the point. We were debating socially accepted things that wouldn’t be accepted by society if they were created in 2023. Circumcision for no reason it a perfect example

My foreskin is with God. Hope he’s enjoying it up there

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Was it the racing and jumping over massive fences bit?

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I heard that they just keeled over in the stables and passed away.

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The human calamari

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Is he blaming them for all the other horses which have died in all the other years too? Or even the day before? Confused.

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It’s the Brexit mind virus mentality

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