i’m a massive Megadeth fan and Rust in Peace is top top tier but it’s not better than Justice. i say that as someone who plays guitar obsessively
Black album isn’t Metallica. ruined thrash with that
I think you listen with VERY different ears when you play instruments. I get my musical kicks from all sorts of things and they can contradict each other if I didn’t listen or accept with both sides of my brain. Every thing I look for in music that does it for me can also turn me off if done in the wrong way. Also, if something else comes through in the music that overshadows something I would normally turn my nose up to can devoid my negativity. It’s complicated but it’s beautiful. Apart from my kids, nothing is keeping me alive on this earth more than music.
EDIT: that is not to say that any listening is superior, not what i’m saying at all, I just get different things from music whether i’m analysing it or letting it wash over me. I enjoy both equally and they overlap in many ways. Not higher listening, not better, not worse, just music gives a lot out and I find that I get different things from it if I use different heads.
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They give me different things. So it’s hard.
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Yeah, I just think if you listen to anything for how it’s being done rather than what it sounds like, then you’re missing the intention. So if you play metal guitar and listen to metal, you’ve ruined it for yourself. I know, all serious metalheads play guitar… but then most serious metalheads are into some right dross.
It’s like the progression in Autechre’s albums, there was a point when their music stopped being about how it sounded, and the how/why it was being made became more important. And that’s when it became less fun to listen to, and that’s when I stopped liking it.
Or to put it another way, some people can do 1000 flatground tricks, which is very commendable, but if you take a step back and look, you’ll notice that they are wearing Adi trackies with NB shoes, which is absolutely unforgivable and should not be tolerated.
So, if you’re making thrash metal and it becomes important to understand how or why the guitar is being played at certain points, rather than “fuck me that riff makes me want to mosh”, then I don’t care.
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I’m loving this metal convo today by the way. Much better than concentrating on work.
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Interrupting the metal convo to post this. Infinitely better than that terrible album he released last year
I get you, I really do but you can’t tell people that they are listening to music wrong. Not ever. I could argue that you’re missing so much detail and beauty if all you do is listen to it one way. I’m not because you’re not listening to music wrong, you’re listening the way you feel and get exactly what you need from it. I need the same things as you in many ways but also I need other things that turn me on. It is what it is. Does not mean you listen to good music and I listen to bad music which is what you kind of insinuated. You’re very welcome to thing that of me though, i’m cool with it. I know you’re taking the piss but also partly serious, ha.
No, I get you, I really do, but the beauty of music (and especially metal) is that you can totally think that someone is doing it wrong, in fact you are programmed to think that way whether you like it or not. I genuinely think that i like music better than most other people and they are idiots. Unfortunately for me, my opinions evolve and I look back at some of what I used to like and think I was a dick. But sometimes, things remain cool to me, such as the aforementioned Reign/South/Seasons trio, and I take that as proof that they are in fact the best.
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We all have that, the superiority complex, I do too really. We all think we’re elite deep down, we all have the answers, we do things the best way. It keeps us thinking we are more than a bag of meat with zero point of existence.
Some people really do do metal wrong though! and with my feel head on, Slayer are at the top. The overall feel and timbre of those peak albums trumps every musical inferority you could argue they have against other metal bands. Most of the time, too much technicality ruins it all. There are so many fine balances to do it right and wrong. For me at least.
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Unfortunately, some of these people are in Metallica
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Ha, I would say that they forgot how to do metal when they searched their feelings and met Bob Rock who told James to start singing like an aggressive old country hack.
Every band of that era tried to evolve and move with the times and their music suffered for it. Metallica did it the worst out of everyone. I was a big fan at 11-14 and I still hold that time dear but I treat Metallica as a band that ended the day I heard Enter Sandman on the Radio.
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Couldn’t agree more, this is a good watch if you haven’t already seen it (Metal Evolution: Thrash, yes I’ve found it in English this time!) it covers the birth of thrash and then when it all started to go wrong, not Metallica particularly but there are some cracking examples of bands changing their sound to please the label and try and sell more (looking at you, Testament) and I’m obviously a bit biased because the dude making the programme says that only Slayer managed to make it through the lean times without losing it completely
In fact there is a bit in there IIRC where Lars says something like “we didn’t sell out, we just changed our sound so that more people would buy our records”
Testament really did have a parallel career to Metallica and were in their shadow.
Souls of black and Practice what you preach are great but the sound of the albums are not amazing. The Ritual was kinda the equivalent of Metallica’s Black album but way better. There are a couple of tunes on Low but they did try too hard by tuning so low.
I will watch that at some point because I might not have seen it. Depends when it was made. Cheers.
I’d just like to interrupt this metal chat with some pure brum sulphate music
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The one thing about metal is that it never ceases to surprise you. Always heard of them but never tried them, Cannibal Corpse, until last Friday when I treated the child to them in the car. While she was not a fan I certainly enjoyed how heavy they were
Only discovered Sleep a couple of years back and now Dopesmoker is a personal fave, really got into that stoner metal stuff recently
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Any of you listen to much melodeath? Absolutely love children of bodom, at the gates, dark tranquility etc.
Oh, aye.
haha. Oh! Hi! Amazing.
Looks like work being busy fucked me up in terms of getting involved in metal chat.
SoundGarden were alright, btw. Never a favourite but theres some tunes in there…
I’d say first four albums - Slayer for me.
I’ve always listened to Metallica and Kill ‘Em All and Master of Puppets are the finest things they’ve ever done - but I’d take Slayers first 4 every single time.
Metallica were just never as cool as anything Slayer did.
Sure, Metallica were technically superior, but Slayer had Kerry King who looked like he would eat you and your whole family and not budge an inch. That was way better.
Pearl Jam suck so much. ALWAYS have.
Side note - my old boss makes metal related art which makes me laugh and if now is not the right time to post this, then there will never be a right time.
http://www.instagram.com/pentagram_pizza/p/BigmMzRn6yP/
https://www.instagram.com/pentagram_pizza/p/DGDDTszKGf1/?img_index=1
Can you still not embed instagram?
Someone have a word with the mods…
