Pretty sure ‘charver’ is Romani in origin and means something along the lines of prostitute.
There are a lot of Romani origin words that have slipped into common usage (at least regionally).
Chav is probably somehow connected to that but there have always been the ‘council house and violent’ etc justifications for it.
Either way, as far as I’m concerned, it’s a nasty word used to demonise the working class. Its usage became prominent once class discourse moved from OG stratas (upper/middle/working) and added ‘lower class’ or ‘underclass’ and thus carries with it all the inherent prejudice associated with those terms.

Very similar to the associations around Gopnik in slavic culture.

Just had a look around - here’s another Romani-origin word: Chavie - a member of a youth subculture (from cha = “child”)
Mush - colloquial meaning a man, a bloke, from Romani mush meaning man.

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Mush is used a lot where I am.
Nothing negative, nearest equivalent would be mate.

When I was a younger teenager (12,13,14), we called the kinds of people who dressed in sportswear, had trackies tucked into socks and were usually hostile to skateboarders ‘Townies’. Which is weird because I’ve never found another region in the UK that used that phrase and in America a Townie is a more of a east-coast term for someone who still lives in the area that they grew up in, usually blue collar but more towards the white trash end of the spectrum.

It was only as an older teenager around 2005/2006 that the word ‘Chav’ replaced Townie in our terminology but it didn’t always have class connotations (though it often did). I knew lots of ‘Chavs’ at high school who came from economically secure middle class families. It was more reflective of a fashion choice and mindset that maybe came along with it


Townie is defiantly a word that gets used around here. Hawkers (Travellers) and Townies have always had rivalry here (especially in the 90s). Fighting, ect. That’s a Townie pub, that’s a traveller pub, keep out of them, ect…

Yep, I saw this, even saw it with some skaters; stopped skating, bought the appropriate gear and worked hard to change how they spoke. Hilarious stuff but I guess most of it was driven from not wanting to get beaten up so I wouldn’t want to hate on that too much.

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We said Townies here too - in West Yorkshire.
See also ‘Dressers’ but that came from LUFC Under-5’s footy speak.

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Dressers everywhere.

We had neds (most likely from ‘ne’er-do-well’, and not ‘non-educated delinquent’ since you wouldn’t say ‘non’educated’ anyway) and bams (covered plenty) but they only really exist on the outskirts now. It’s all tight polo shirts and Vans now, unless you’re a junkie in which case it’s SuperDry.

It’s weird at the football, seeing all these folk dressed exactly the same all shuffling in. Literally the same haircut, tight polo, black leggings (ripped or otherwise), Vans, black puffa jacket with the thin puffs and fluffy llama hair, or a big fake quiff like in that picture Hugo posted somewhere. Then the dudes in skintight suits because they’re got big arms and little chicken legs.

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Lol. That’s him/them.

Used loads in Newark.
I was confused as to how complete strangers knew my name until I realised.

Townies to us were typical towns folk of the town I lived in.
Chubby fould mouthed fighting types in Stone Island jumpers that only liked fighting, football and beer.
Much beyond that they’d jeer and mock, almost provacatively, like skaters for example, seen as an easy / soft target.

We had townies in 'Ull, probably not so much used now though. Or maybe I’m just too old to notice.

townies in colchester too back in the 90s, and mush

i always thought chav was something to do with or originated in chatham in kent, specifically southern, white, working class, estate kids in hoodies and tracksuit. the southern equivalent of a scally perhaps

‘Chavvy’ is what gypsies call their kids. It comes from Romany.

It’s also what I call their kids.

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