Charvers too, not to be confused with chav, the big dings!
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Whatâs the relationship between âcharverâ and âchavâ? Iâve read sociologists saying âcharverâ is where the term âchavâ came from or that the north east were early adopters of the term âchavâ because people say âcharverâ, but that doesnât seem quite right. The two words have slightly different meanings to me. âChavâ is a catch-all term to describe a kind of sneered at culture - tracksuits, bling, single mums etc. âCharverâ was more the young men who would want to kick your head in for skating, like a Blinky said.
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Proper belta short doco on makina and north east dance music there, featuring a load of legend charvas. Worth a watch for sure! I actually love loads of that music too. Bigup the New Monkey
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Haha, he does my head in even though I do believe in social justice whatever that looks like. Heâs just well annoying.
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I live in Carlisle. And chav would be tracksuit socks tucked in stereotype. A charva could be like mate. Or deeks at this charva. They mean different things. I was work the other night and security guard rings to book on and he called me marra and charva within the 30 second phone call.
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I said not to be confused with chav in my original post! I was talking about different types too.
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In Newark, where they have their own bonkers language, a chavvy is just a guy, for example, âsome chavvy in the pubâ.
Dammit, totally sold out.
No wonder. Cheapest big TNF jacket yet?
TNF coats in Estonia are useless, theyâre too thin. And I already have an old Nuptse and Canada Goose. Wanted the pants. Never mind, could do with saving the money tbh!
You arenât saving the money when youâll end up spending the same amount on something not as good.
Be friends with somebody who skates for Vans (or get on Vans) and enjoy 50% off TNF from their shopâŚ
Pretty sure âcharverâ is Romani in origin and means something along the lines of prostitute.
There are a lot of Romani origin words that have slipped into common usage (at least regionally).
Chav is probably somehow connected to that but there have always been the âcouncil house and violentâ etc justifications for it.
Either way, as far as Iâm concerned, itâs a nasty word used to demonise the working class. Its usage became prominent once class discourse moved from OG stratas (upper/middle/working) and added âlower classâ or âunderclassâ and thus carries with it all the inherent prejudice associated with those terms.
Very similar to the associations around Gopnik in slavic culture.
Just had a look around - hereâs another Romani-origin word: Chavie - a member of a youth subculture (from cha = âchildâ)
Mush - colloquial meaning a man, a bloke, from Romani mush meaning man.
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Mush is used a lot where I am.
Nothing negative, nearest equivalent would be mate.
When I was a younger teenager (12,13,14), we called the kinds of people who dressed in sportswear, had trackies tucked into socks and were usually hostile to skateboarders âTowniesâ. Which is weird because Iâve never found another region in the UK that used that phrase and in America a Townie is a more of a east-coast term for someone who still lives in the area that they grew up in, usually blue collar but more towards the white trash end of the spectrum.
It was only as an older teenager around 2005/2006 that the word âChavâ replaced Townie in our terminology but it didnât always have class connotations (though it often did). I knew lots of âChavsâ at high school who came from economically secure middle class families. It was more reflective of a fashion choice and mindset that maybe came along with it
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Townie is defiantly a word that gets used around here. Hawkers (Travellers) and Townies have always had rivalry here (especially in the 90s). Fighting, ect. Thatâs a Townie pub, thatâs a traveller pub, keep out of them, ectâŚ
Yep, I saw this, even saw it with some skaters; stopped skating, bought the appropriate gear and worked hard to change how they spoke. Hilarious stuff but I guess most of it was driven from not wanting to get beaten up so I wouldnât want to hate on that too much.
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We said Townies here too - in West Yorkshire.
See also âDressersâ but that came from LUFC Under-5âs footy speak.
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Dressers everywhere.
We had neds (most likely from âneâer-do-wellâ, and not ânon-educated delinquentâ since you wouldnât say ânonâeducatedâ anyway) and bams (covered plenty) but they only really exist on the outskirts now. Itâs all tight polo shirts and Vans now, unless youâre a junkie in which case itâs SuperDry.
Itâs weird at the football, seeing all these folk dressed exactly the same all shuffling in. Literally the same haircut, tight polo, black leggings (ripped or otherwise), Vans, black puffa jacket with the thin puffs and fluffy llama hair, or a big fake quiff like in that picture Hugo posted somewhere. Then the dudes in skintight suits because theyâre got big arms and little chicken legs.
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