He was on a fucking TEAR showing everyone that he wasn’t just a great street skater, but that he could handle a transition, too.
I don’t see how he was on some downward spiral, at all. He was in videos with beer in hand, sure.
…but you make it sound like he was Antwuan when the reality is, he publicly wasn’t even close to Ali, Greco, Reynolds or even most of the rest of the Raven, Grant, Phelper Hellride crew.
Ishod was in that mix, also. He had drunk clips, spilling beer and skating…Does that mean he is a raging alcoholic?
That CK stuff was an accident. Nothing more.
I dunno…I’ve not done it for years, but god knows how many times in my teens or twenties I got in a car with someone driving drunk and at best, it was the next day where I said “Damn. That was dumb” or, at worst I didn’t ever even think of it again. But I never for a second thought the driver or any of us had a ‘problem’.
Mick is right here with the above. You need to judge a teen as a teen. If I wasn’t then I am damn sure I wouldn’t be here today.
For some reason driving under the influence in America doesn’t look to have the same social stigma as it does here. People seem to get DUI’s all the time. I’m probably wrong. A quick look, some states just do an A.W.A.R.E. Program, which is a 72-hour alcohol-education program, if caught drink driving, wow.
It was a sad, terrible accident yes, and it could have happened to anyone. But it was more than that. To say ‘nothing more’ sort of makes it seem like it was a mechanical failure or something. In reality it might not have happened if everyone in the car hadn’t been drinking, just like Shane might not have died if he and Ali hadn’t been partying the night they got on that scooter. Not laying blame at anyones door there, they’re sad accidents that ruined people’s lives.
But I don’t think @anon86856945 is necessarily out of order here, re. CK. Literally every piece of footage of his in the few years prior to the crash showed him drinking beers, wearing some day glo vest and piling out. There was even a thread about it on the old forum. Now obviously no one can predict the future and not everyone who drinks has a problem and not everyone who drink drives is going to be involved in an accident. But that wasn’t what he was saying.
Skateboarding has historically had a huge substance abuse problem, for numerous reasons, and as an industry there’s a lot of warning signs that get ignored.
I’m sorry your friend died. And sorry Preston got brought up. As I said, it was a sad accident that ruined a lot of lives.
But come on man, Cory went to prison for 4 years because he was driving under the influence and speeding. Thats a matter of public record, I’m not sure how you can deny it.
I have history of this, I know accidents can happen. I also know that getting behind the wheel of a car having been drinking is a stupid and selfish thing to do, and i’ve been in a situation where i’ve experienced it first hand so i cant really accept any defence of it.
Every photo of me from age 17 to about 25…I have a beer in hand.
Back then, I drank once or twice a week.
The perceived ‘image’ is not always telling of the reality, but it does seem to overshadow it.
I think this is an overstatement. I don’t think it is any bigger than "blokes down the pub’ but I will say that the “professional management and media” will overlook it perhaps unlike other “sports”.
Here is something important - and I can’t remember the exact figure, so when I get chence I’ll look it up (but if anyone else remembers, then go for it) - didn’t it turn out that CK was like 0.3 over the limit? Half a pint or something? That really is fuck all. Yes, it is illegal but fucking hell man…as if he isn’t paying that price.
Apologies, my reply earlier was a bit reactionary and to the throat. Felt the comment on Breana’s vices (for lack of a better word) was only noted because she’s a woman whereas the extent she talks about that stuff in that interview (from what I remember) would just be par for the course if it was a dude.
Anyway, to bring it back round, I’d like to see a couple more parts from her - but also think Girl are slipping if she isn’t pro in the next year or two.
‘Warning signs’ is a bit of a stretch but I do remember CK’s Chronicles 3 part being very underwhelming. I kind of echo BvsS’s feeling that he was piling out a bit around that time in a Manchild sort of way. That doesn’t mean I saw the car accident happening. That was a shock.
I also think that the structureless life a lot of skaters lead and the pursuit of that next adrenaline release do pull skaters towards drink and drugs in quite a unique way. There’s a distinct type of nihilistic hedonism that Thrasher have enabled over the years. It’s present in different subcultures for sure - football lads etc. - but skaters do push it to extremes: https://www.thrashermagazine.com/articles/over-it-article/
It forms part of the context for the accident, surely? CK took quite a hedonistic approach to life at that time. He didn’t see driving after having a drink a problem.
Apart from that fact that CK was over the limit and a court sentenced him because of that. I totally accept that we shouldn’t speculate like a gossip columnist about what is a really sad moment for skateboarding. But there is a clear legal line here which was broken. Maybe skaters think they are above this and that aspect of our culture needs addressing? Perhaps certain outlets were encouraging quite toxic and destructive behaviour?
I get that. But he still had a drink and drove and I get that loads of people see no harm in doing that. But even just one drink impairs your judgement.
I don’t think it’s too controversial to say skaters are impulsive and reckless, usually in a good way. But it wouldn’t be a bad idea to encourage a bit of caution now and then.
I don’t think it is controversial to say the skaters CAN BE controversial and reckless. I’d never deny that.
The problem here is firstly that we are talking about someone being .01% over the limit. That is basically a couple of mouthfuls of a pint of 4% lager. Maybe half a pint. Maybe.
Also, whilst your opinion is that one drink impairs, you know you can still have a drink and drive, right?
You are legal to drive still after a regular beer and we are talking about that legality here, so a persons view that one drink is too much is neither here nor there as that really is nothing more than opinion.
