Two wrongs do not make a right. Clearly the Russians have engaged in heinous war crimes. And Putin deserves being tried as a war criminal. But in terms of the legitimacy of the above video, I have serious reservations.
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Yeah it really, really, really, really smells of propoganda but I guess propoganda to try to stop a war rather than to start one is OK.
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Twitter and Reddit - âThis is bigâ = fuck all will happen
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Yeah also this. 
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Itâs war!!! Where one side isnât following the rules, slaughtering innocent people⌠âOh no, they put some soldiers (that are being well looked after) in front of some news cameras!â, the two are far from comparable in the grand scheme of what is happening.
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I do not disagree with what you are saying. Ethics breakdown during war. Putinâs abhorrent military strategy, censorship and outright denial of facts help explain why Ukraine felt the need to make this.
I am saying we need to be cautious about what this video can tell us. It is propaganda. I would love to believe that all Russian soldiers have essentially been duped into fighting this war, but we have also recent evidence of saboteur groups firing on Sky reporters etc. Some pro-Russian forces are clearly really up for this war.
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Of course there are Russians who want a scrap, some people just like fighting and will be deeply patriotic so theyâre the ones not being shown on camera, why would you do that, itâd be stupid? Haha⌠but these stories of soldiers being unhappy, surrendering willingly with the same story about being lied too are coming out of numerous news sources (talking to Russian soldiers in the field), not just the Ukrainian government, which is why I think itâs more believable than most things happening. If all the soldiers where 100% happy than that would come to light very quickly and be hard to carry on the âlieâ.
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I know a guy who did some big-ish branding jobs for the equivalent of the Russian Home Office a few years back and he spent quite a bit of time out there. I remember him saying how strong the propaganda is and how thereâs such a lack of global information for regular citizens, even more so than we think would be the case for modern Russia.
So it doesnât surprise me at all that young people in the army would go into combat completely believing what theyâve been told and then all of a sudden realise that they are actually the bad guys. And then be stuck between a rock and a hard place.
Ukraine aside for a moment, it seems like weâre on track to absolutely destroy the Russian economy for years to come and itâs not Putin who will suffer, itâll be normal Russian families.
Redditors always talk like theyâre on the front line of the action when big events happen
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Good discussion through the history of Russia, Ukraine and NATO. Good breakdown of different political and historic points between all three, with mateyâs theory of it.
Also one of my favourite points in towards the end:
â- Putin also has a strong appeal to dumbfuck Westernersâ
lol
Expect Russia to default any time now. Itâs already started as people arenât being paid, walkouts are happening. Itâs gonna get pretty gnarly, for a long time.
Not sure I completely understand the mechanics of this but my understanding is, they last defaulted in 1998, and since then built up a pretty huge reserve in case it ever happened again. But now they canât pay because a significant chunk of the reserve is frozen, so they have to pay in RUB, which is fucked.
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âWe have taken our children to safety. The genetic fund of our nation is reliably protected.â
Thatâs one intimidating message.
Also thought this was cool, you can donate to a fundraiser by the artist if you want -
https://www.siepomaga.pl/en/russian-bear
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Great. This country possibly next if Ukraine is taken
If you need too, youâll be able to get your family into the U.K easily, right? No border/passport messing about for your wife, ect?
We just got Estonian passport sorted for the 1 yr old a few days ago. But iirc I got to send that to UK to get his UK passport, so fuck that.
Should be ok to get wife in. EU passport.
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You know Priti Patel is in charge right?
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Can someone explain to me why a no fly zone over Ukraine = nukes?
As far as I understand it, NATO planes would have to enforce the no-fly zone. This would mean shooting down any Russian planes or helicopters which intrude into the protected airspace. Russia would not accept the no-fly zone so would likely fly planes into it (to bomb Ukrainian targets). This could lead to NATO forces entering the conflict in a bigger way, leading to them shooting at Russian forces, leading Russia to escalate the conflict to neighbouring NATO countries. Everything snowballs. Someone sends nukes.
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Got it. Thank you!
