In the news thread

I think the Facebook row will sort itself out. Seems to me that people mainly use it to share pictures of their cats and kids, and sometimes they share news links. Australia said if you want to use news links you have to pay for them, so Facebook said, fine, we won’t use them. And that’s about it.

The Australian story isn’t what I’m talking about, I’m talking about Myanmar. That’s why I posted a link to the Myanmar story.

Just so you, that. The plebs will learn to accept it, right?

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I can’t believe this is real.

Days after South Dakota Attorney General Jason Ravnsborg fatally struck a man while driving in September, detectives told the Republican official they had found a pair of broken reading glasses inside his Ford Taurus. They belonged to the man he killed.
That was a problem, detectives said, because Ravnsborg, 44, said he didn’t know he had hit a man until the following day, when he returned to the scene and found the body of Joseph Boever, 55, in a ditch.
“They’re Joe’s glasses, so that means his face came through your windshield,” one of the detectives said in an interview released by the South Dakota Department of Public Safety on Tuesday.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/02/24/south-dakota-ravnsborg-resign-death/

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I made a comparison of 2 home grown terrorists on insta a while back to highlight the hypocrisy of these people.

Both brainwashed but One had full military training …

It was the white woman who had military training but she was seen as a patriot and shot dead on the day of insurrection in the US

The other was shamima .

You know if it was the other way round it would be even worse .

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She probably saw his pink wheels.

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What a post to take this thread over the 100k view mark.

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The Shemima verdict really plays into the Brexit rhetoric of being a proud no bullshit nation doesn’t it.

It’s fucking embarrassing and regressive.

I’m genuinely conflicted about Shamina Begum.
On the one hand we all do stupid stuff as teenagers, and allow ourselves to be talked into things we really shouldn’t do. On the other hand, she made an active decision to join an organisation responsible for bombing civilians and cutting the heads off of journalists and charity workers with kitchen knives.
These are tricky cases.
The teenager running a neo-Nazi website from his bedroom, The 15-year olds who joined ISIS. The two ten-year-olds who beat a toddler to death.
To what extent are they victims, and to what extent villains?

You can be either, or both, and still a human being

Victim or villain, she is still our responsibility.

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You’re probably right. I still struggle with the Bulger killers, though

I think that is almost certainly true, yeah I don’t especially like the idea of her returning but at the same time I’m not even sure of the legal case for doing what we’ve done is.

It feels like to me that the government knew a lot of people wouldn’t want her to return so they’ve just forced that to happen.

I think they were possibly either born evil or had a seriously fucked up childhood.

You could argue that Britain must take responsibility for her since she was raised here.

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Both potentially. I remember reading one of them broke his parole with a load of child sex images so he’s clearly still really fucked up which possibly undermines his “we were just kids” defence as he’s still a massive risk.

I thought if was brutal when it happened, can’t even get my head round it as a parent

I remember being at school and just about old enough to understand what happened, I must have been 7.

I distinctly remember the news channels showing VHS covers of the film child’s play and saying that these horror films influenced the killers.

ISIS is an extreme Right-wing organisation. Strict enforcement of religious rules, absolute separation of men and women, the death penalty for homosexuals, complete obedience to authority. But yes, teenagers are drawn to these things. In a world of confusion they give you certainty. Shamina was 15 when she joined, which would lead me to give her the benefit of the doubt. But what about 17-year-olds? 18? 24? At what age do you own the things you do?

I think there’s a case going on right now - a man being deported from the US for being a concentration camp guard as an (older) teenager. I think he was 18 or 19 at the time - so about 3 years older than Shamina