What’s the age of criminal responsibility?
Ten! Just looked it up
Wasn’t there that white boy - Jack something or other - who joined isis? What happened to him?
Found it
I find this to be like the capital punishment debate.
Do we agree with capital punishment in the UK? No.
Would we ever consider subjecting a person to systemic rape, to basically be a handmaid at a baby factory as punishment instead, on our shores? No.
Yet somehow it’s acceptable for the British government to just cut a person off. Make them completely stateless, strip them of all rights, knowing that they’d be regularly raped and forced to make babies for a bunch of jihadist psychos. No doubt causing a lifetime of misery for whichever innocent offspring miraculously survive as well.
It’s completely fucked up, it’s just more fucking dehumanising gammon Priti Patel bullshit.
If she’s a risk, put her in prison. Give her babies (if there are any still alive) to foster care, let them have a chance at an actual life.
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Sorry, what?
Teenagers are drawn to right wing homophobic caliphates because they want certainty?
Are you on glue?
No - they’re drawn to batshit crazy ideologies because they want certainty
And yes, I am on glue
Yup. Cruel and unusual punishment is civilised apparently.
Conjecture. How do you know what they want?
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I think he means “disenfranchised youth”, not “all teenagers”. You know, the type that blame all their problems on brown people or bash gays or vote for Brexit.
Disenfranchised youth are statistically more likely to form extreme views.
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I get that, I meant the assertion that theyre doing it because they want certainty. You, we, I have no idea what their motivation for it is, religious zealotry, lack of education, deep seated racism, bantz. Simplifying it and saying its because they’re lacking certainty isnt accurate is my point
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What he said. I think it’s a combination of low self-esteem, powerlessness and uncertainty about their place and importance in life
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Fair enough
To clarify, if the youth are disenfranchised and form extreme views, that means they’ve been failed. The state should recognise those failings… They’re free to punish crimes as well, but nobody is a lost cause.
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Both those cases should be dealt with by the British justice system instead of refusing them citizenship imo
Similar situation going through the Irish courts at the moment where a 30YO woman, a former Irish soldier, married a British jihadist and moved to Syria in 2011. She was arrested on her return in 2019.
I was actually leaning slightly towards the ‘it’s her own problem’ point of view on this,
but your post there changed my mind. Respect for putting it so well.
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I haven’t read anything on this thread all day but there’s no way we should be removing people’s citizenship. If they’re British, let them stand trial and imprison them
Some might say that Shamina and ‘Jihadi Jack’ gave up citizenship when they left the U.K. to become citizens of the caliphate
I’ve said exactly what I feel - I’m conflicted. I think she joined an evil, murderous organisation, BUT she was only 15. I don’t know what the answer is.
Jihadi Jack (Jack Letts) is a similar case. He joined ISIS but as far as anyone knows committed no actual atrocities himself.
Jihadi John (Miohammed Emwazi) was a different case - he decapitated people
