Yeah, it can’t stop it without white people. Being the main protagonists. You can’t just exclude them from the big conversation. It’s like having peace talks in N.Ireland without Sinn Fein. You could clearly see that women had an anti-white male agenda in general, which isn’t going to solve anything, if you arrive at the table with that mindset already.
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The fact you can’t even say the phrase ‘white privilege’ without white dudes getting their knickers in a twist and getting argumentative shows just how much white privilege exists. We’ve had a similar debate on here before, and I’ll say the same thing- everyone should read ‘Why I’ve stopped talking to white people about race’ by Reni Eddo-Lodge. Most people on here including myself can be hugely anti racist and still have massive white privilege without knowing it. That’s what it is, it’s usually not a conscious thing, not knowing that something you’re doing or saying is a product of that privilege.
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Because a lot of the time they don’t have learned experience possibly, and you could end up with the blind leading the blind. Have a debate about it amongst your mates but if it’s a televised debate why is it so hard to get a person of colour on the panel?
We all hate none skateboarders talking about, or debating anything skate related, cos they just don’t ever get us, no matter how hard they try they will never understand what it means to be a skateboarder, the same way in which even though I’m aware of a lot of my white privilege I’ll never know the true experience of discrimination because of the colour of my skin and daily discrimination no matter how small.
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Question time is a bun fight
I clearly said ‘anti white male’ not anti white. Why bring his gender into it, if it’s about race? It’s like the Mail don’t employ females and the likes of Katie Hopkins don’t exist?
Because I think they are two separate issues and you’re just muddying the water by trying to shove them together.
The Representation of the People Act 1918 ended property qualification for male suffrage.
The Equal Suffrage Act 1928 ended property qualification for female suffrage.
So there is only ten years between your average working class male getting the vote to a women. Not all white males owned cotton plantations and had rights. I spoke up about white privilege (not being stopped by police, being allowed to walk almost anywhere without question, ect). Like I said, I personally think they are two different issues and deserve to be treated with respect and tackle them for their own failings.
God I’m starting to really hate being associated with the people in this country.
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yes it is. nobody’s asking you to go and preach on the streets or seek out BNP members to beat up but your posts on here clearly show that you could do more to have a better understanding of the situation. that’s how you need to change it, by educating yourself and helping others do the same. telling yourself “i’m not racist in any way so i’ve done my bit” is bollocks.
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@voodoo it’s because there’s a lot of crossover with the issues that POC face and women face. As a well off white man he’s in the least likely group to understand what point she was making. And yes you shouldn’t go in to a debate making that assumption about somebody, but he clearly demonstrated that that assumption about him is true, so it was valid to bring up
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So you’re telling me only white males can be sexist? Because we all know that a lot of other communities have problems with sexism, misogyny and homophobia. But yeah it’s only a white male problem, in your eyes, right?
obviously not you muppet. i’m saying that as a well off white male, he is statistically in the most privileged group of people on the planet. and the more privileged you are, the less likely you are to be able to see the struggles of people in minority groups. that’s just fact. and i’m not one for using that point without merit against somebody because i think it stifles the argument, but he clearly demonstrated a lack of understanding of the subject, so it was a valid point to level at him in that case.
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…and that’s where the conversation breaks down and it never moves forward. Well done.
I was replying to Jagger by the way, who relied to me. I don’t think you have to be privileged to be sexist or homophobic, say. That’s me out of this thread (unless other news) when people have to resort to name calling, bye.
oh sorry. i would argue that muppet is a valid response to what you said, if it was in reply to me. but it wasn’t so my apologies
Now, this is where we’re getting confused. We all agree but we are all getting flared up on details that each other are not reading. When it comes down to it, we all agree on the overall issue. I think the thing that you can’t hear and Wayout after I read his reply is that we are not dissagreeing with anything you are saying, I get this, i’m aware and understand all the issues POC go through but I know I can’t fully appreciate it because i’ll never be in that situation because I can never personally go through it. I can’t help that but I do think about it, and that’s all I can do. It’s not my fault i’m not a POC so why do people make it an issue to make white males guilty of being who they are? I’m not saying white male priviledge is not a thing, of course it is but it’s a negative statement and it’s one that is starting to be given automatically. I also get that POC do not have any say in what body they are born into too and yet have negative tags placed around their necks too. It’s a terrible place full of terrible people. All i’m saying is that we can’t move forward if we keep blaming each other, we need to all change in order to move on and make the future better/equal for everyone (and yes, not forgetting and appreciaing history)
So please, lets not get calling each other Muppets and whatnot, I think we are all at a decent level of intelligence on here regarding thsi matter just we are getting heated over our poor way of getting our point across, certainly on my part.
Just a mansplaining twat that’s ignorant to his own bias. Perfect example of privilege.
Ok, so I decided to watch a little more of that programme rather than just judging based on that small clip you posted. In hindsight that was a bad idea as in just that clip I can sympathise with both sides but now seeing more of what Fox is saying I can totally say he’s a fucking bell. I initially agreed with his sigh of the ladies use of WMP being thrown at him willy nilly but seeing the bigger picture it was warranted. That was my fault but also maybe the clip needed to be longer for context 
I have agreed with you Jagger on every moral point you raise, Everything. I feel we are on the same page apart from 2 small points.
WMP once broken into it’s actual words is something we as white males just have, we have the priviledge of being white and male, it’s inherant. However the phrase has taken on and being used as a negative for people who are uninformed on what has/is happening to POC on a daily basis. I don’t feel I am in that category, I am informed and I am aware of as much as I can be. I’m not taking anything personally, I am using myself as an example because I can’t speak for anyone else. I feel that this negative phrase should not be thrown around and automatically pinned on everyone even though of course everyone white and male has the priviledge. I’m not sure on how much more informed you, blinky or wayout may think you are than me but it would be interesting for you to point out where I am failing, just out of interest and no beef of course. Like I said, there are literally 2 points I am trying to make and everything else we are in agreement. 2nd point is that I feel while racism is a part of the persecution of Meghan I don’t think racism should be used as the main reason, factor of her abuse. She is having abuse because she’s not good enough, she is not worthy, she is not British, she is a POC, she is an easy target for constant news which means constant content and sales. Racism is being used as a way of attacking her and of course it is being used by people of racist opinion. You’re right, the media has a very racist core of people of wealth and old mindsets. Like when Stormzy said he 100% thinks that there is racism in this country, people attacked him spinning it by saying he said that britain was 100% racist. Ridiculous and wrong. I think that white people will pick up on that and argue that they are not racist and condemn Stormzy for what he said as they have automatically taken the white journo side, that is where I feel you have put me in this conversation. I do not feel I am in that bracket. Granted I can see why as I did only judge based on that clip which is not enough to judge what Fox is saying overall. The 2 points to remind: 1. WMP as a phrase is being used as a negative, rightly so but should not be used as a blanket tag to everyone white male unless they show evidence of opinion that deems the use, otherwise me, you, blinky etc all have this tag, we are all uninformed equally.
2. Racism is only part of what is fuelling Meghan’s abuse. it IS there and is being used horrendously because the people at the core of media have certain racist opinion. There is a difference but again essentially, we agree.
I’m so shit at putting me opinion across and i’m constantly surprised why everytime people read something totally different to what my intention is but anyhow…
This chat is good.
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How many people there said “Yep, seems fine. Go with that”?
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What’s to say a guy with blonde hair can’t wear cornrows?
And therefore, who is to say that a wig can’t be made to match the look?
